Church Watching

July 5, 2007 - 9:17am

This story was originally written in two parts. I've combined them but kept part one online to preserve the comments. Click here to see the comments from part one.

Part One

Foy started noticing churches while he was driving. He hadn’t noticed churches for a long time, but suddenly he was seeing them again. A church would rush toward him, picking up speed, then whoosh by, slowing down as it moved down the street behind the car. Foy’s head would turn to follow the church, then snap back quickly so he wouldn’t crash into anything. Then he would sneak a peek in his rearview mirror and watch the church float lazily out of sight, like a barge going around the distant curve of a river.

The more he watched churches, the more they seemed like living creatures with personalities. There were stone churches on the corners of older neighborhoods, some of them erected in the 19th century. Their solidity seemed to transcend movement and change, as if ancient hammers had pounded them into place to keep the town from blowing away like a tarp in the wind. Their windows aged slowly in their stone settings, looking out and up, scarcely noticing anything happening on the ground nearby. Social trends threw themselves like breakers at the foundations of these spiritual castles, eventually losing energy and folding themselves into whatever fading decade had given them birth.

There were old-fashioned, white clapboard, African American churches ferociously holding the ground where country met city. The buildings looked frail, like matchsticks, but the paint was fresh and the wood was in good repair. The energy from within these churches was astonishing. White gloves, carefully delivered Sunday school reports, hats with veils, and cardboard fans worked hand-in-hand with stylized sermons, swaying singers, and intoxicating organ music to hold the modern world at bay by the sheer force of their determination to overcome.

The quiet and tired suburban brick churches of the 60s and 70s seemed the most at risk. Their functional architecture and weary, middle-class apathy made them appear to be on life support. You wondered how many more years their fathers would fire up the family car and shout for the kids to hurry so they wouldn’t be late for Sunday school.

Occasionally Foy would see an Episcopal church whose careful beauty would cause his heart to break with joy. He took pride in these churches from afar, like a collector of rare and beautiful things. Their Anglican heritage provided an appreciation for architecture, and an influx of American nature lovers who had only just discovered Saint Francis provided the energy for nurturing the grounds around the buildings.

Foy would slow his car when he passed one of these churches, looking at them the way you look at your childhood home if you drive by it after many years. He wanted to go inside but was afraid to ask. Sometimes he would sit on the curb across the street, letting his eyes follow the steps to the heavy, wooden door and then wander upwards past the windows to the roof, and then – if the church had one – to the bell tower.

He followed his urge to look at churches without introspection. If he had stopped to think about it, he might have recognized and perhaps resented the deep longing that was beginning to be born in his heart.

Foy did not plan to attend church that morning, but it was Sunday, and he happened to be out wearing long pants and a decent shirt. He was slowing down to take a look at an Episcopal church that had caught his eye a few days earlier when he noticed a sign that said worship began in half an hour. Moments later he had pulled into their parking lot, shut off his car, and was standing beside it looking around. There were only a few cars in the lot. Foy wondered which one belonged to the minister.

One of the cars was parked in a space close to the building. It was a few years old, sturdy and plain, and there were papers stacked on the dashboard.

“I bet that’s the minister’s car,” thought Foy with a smile.

He walked slowly toward the church, which was a collection of buildings around a central courtyard that was landscaped in a natural way. It looked as if the plants had been there before the church and had simply been allowed to remain as they always had been. Two huge oaks spread a canopy of shade over the entire courtyard, and there was a fountain in the middle with moss-covered rocks and a gentle sound.

As Foy approached the fountain he began to have a heavy feeling that was familiar to him. It was like soft but pressing fingers kneading anxiety into the muscles of his neck. He spoke softly to the fountain.

“This is the kind of place that once owned me, body and soul. If I thought the church was doing well, I felt like I was doing well. If I thought something was wrong at church, I felt worried and anxious about it all the time, even at night. If some families suddenly left, I couldn’t stop wondering if I had done something to make them leave. If I was mindful of my own sins and shortcomings, I felt like a hypocrite being a pastor. If I thought I preached a good sermon, I was proud, but later I would be depressed. If I felt the sermon wasn’t good, I had paranoid thoughts and my self-worth plummeted. If something happened to someone in the church, and I was too tired to feel something emotionally, I thought I was unfit to be the shepherd of the flock. If my theology was too liberal, I was seen as a dangerous influence. If my theology was too predictable, I had nothing challenging to say and my peers wouldn’t respect me. If my children were unhappy, I was a poor Christian father and a bad role model for the fathers of the church. If church attendance dropped or rose and I couldn’t explain it or deal with it, I was a poor leader. You see what I mean?”

The fountain gurgled away. Foy moved closer, sat on the edge of the fountain and began to look closely at it. It was made of a number of flattened, slate-like stones stacked in a haphazard manner that was pleasing to the eye. The water poured out of a small, cave-like opening near the top with plants dangling in front of it. It flowed across a flat stone, following gravity and the peculiarities of the stone until it collected in a little pool bordered by ferns. There was a low spot along the edge of the pool. The water overflowed at that point and ran down a mossy bank to a lower pool.

Foy watched a tiny curved leaf spinning in the upper pool. In an instant his entire focus narrowed to this leaf. The realities of the world around him faded away. He was not aware of the transition, but he was as lost as a child at play or a monk at prayer.

The leaf spun lazily and approached the waterfall at the edge of the pool several times, but each time a swirling eddy would shoo it away. Foy noticed a number of mossy, water-logged leaves at the bottom of the pool, and he wondered if some leaves made it over the edge while others died trying. Just then the leaf drifted right to the edge of the pool. It hung there for a moment, then it slowly began to tilt. In an instant it disappeared over the edge and tumbled down the mossy bank until it hung in the moss a few inches above the lower pool.

Foy stared at the leaf sadly. He felt a strange attachment to the little leaf and had wanted to watch it make the whole journey to the bottom pool. It occurred to him that the natural beauty of the fountain had developed because no one was controlling what happened to it. The water flowed in whatever way that gravity and the stones dictated. Leaves fell from the trees, some landing on the ground and others in the fountain. Some leaves followed the current from one pool to the next, and others became heavy with water and sank. All of this happened over time and created the unplanned, random beauty of the whole. Foy’s little leaf would stay there, stuck to the mossy bank, until it rotted, or until a breeze loosened it or something else happened.

Foy impulsively reached over and gave the leaf a little nudge with his finger. It tumbled the rest of the way into the lower pool where it floated about happily.

“And then there’s Divine Intervention.” He said out loud with a smile.

Suddenly the world came rushing back, and he became self-conscious. Foy stood up and looked around to see if anyone was watching him playing in the fountain and talking to himself. No one was paying attention to him, but more people had arrived for worship. They were streaming along several sidewalks that led to the open door of a stone building that was clearly the sanctuary. Some people were alone; others were chatting in groups of two or three. Some walked purposefully toward the door while others moved slowly and even stopped along the edges of the sidewalk to chat.

Foy stood looking at the open door. There were glimpses of movement visible through it. Rustling noises and subdued bits of conversation floated out into the courtyard. He caught sight of an arm in a robe rising to embrace a shoulder, then lowering to shake a hand. After a few moments, the robed arm took hold of the door and began to close it.

Foy took a step in the direction of the door, and then it seemed easier to keep walking toward it than to stop or turn around.

rlp

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Part Two

Foy reached the door a few seconds after it had closed. He opened it as softly as he could, but it made a small creaking noise. The minister, who was wearing a robe and was about to go down the aisle, turned around. His face lit up like someone who suddenly saw a long-lost friend. He held up his hand and beckoned Foy in with a smile.

Foy nodded and raised the fingers of his right hand in acknowledgment, then turned his attention to a wooden table in the foyer that had literature on it. He picked up an order of worship.

The minister disappeared down the aisle following someone carrying a candle. Foy was pleased to see that the church was designed in a traditional way. The pews were of dark wood, and there was a single aisle down the center. There was no carpet on the wooden floor, so it creaked and groaned as the procession passed by. Some of the congregants had turned in their seats and were watching the minister come down the aisle. Others were staring straight ahead or scanning the order of worship.

Foy felt a strong aversion to having anyone sitting behind him. Luckily, the last two or three rows on each side were relatively empty, and he was able to slide quietly onto the back row. He scanned the order of worship, then picked up a worn copy of the Book of Common Prayer from the pew. At that point everyone in the congregation suddenly stood up. Foy jumped up quickly to join them. The people spoke in unison in a rough, mumbling monotone. He wasn’t sure if the words they were saying were written down in the order of worship or in the prayer book. He looked at one and then the other, then everyone sat down again. Foy dropped into his seat a half-beat behind everyone else.

He watched the people around him to know when to kneel or stand and flipped through the Book of Common Prayer, paying close attention to a section of pages that were clearly more worn than the rest. Eventually he found the right place and began to follow the worship service. At one point an organist played a long piece. Foy put down the prayer book and relaxed. He let down his guard and became very emotional. His eyes filled with tears.

The minister stood to preach. The gospel text for the day was very familiar to Foy. It was the story of a prostitute who had come to Jesus and anointed his feet with a perfumed oil. A Pharisee who observed this was deeply offended that Jesus allowed himself to be touched by such a woman.

The minister read the text carefully, closed the Bible, and said, “Before we can understand the story, we need to be clear about a couple of things. First, the woman in the story was not a good person. Any modern, Hollywood idea of a kindly prostitute would have been foreign to the people of this time. She was violating the sexual and social values of her people, and she was offensive to them. A modern equivalent might be a woman who flirts and seeks to be intimate with the husbands of women who thought they were her friends.”

“Second, the Pharisee was a good person. Those of us who are familiar with the stories of Jesus can begin to think that Pharisees were mean-spirited, judgmental men. But the Pharisees were greatly admired by the people of that day, as well they should have been. The Pharisee in the story was a devout and pious man. He was a good citizen, a patriot, and he would have given 10% of everything he had to charitable causes. If you and I lived in that day, we would have liked and admired him.”

“If you think of the prostitute as a misunderstood, kind-hearted woman and the Pharisee as a mean-spirited, oppressive and judgmental zealot, you will ruin the story. You will take away its edge. Jesus’ acceptance of the woman and rebuke of the Pharisee was shocking in that day. They would have expected a righteous rabbi to have chased away the sinner and embraced the pious man. The story is nothing short of radical. It is a stunning example of the upside-down, topsy-turvy, unexpected nature of God’s love. Truly, even the least of us is precious in eyes of God.”

It was a brilliant opening. In one swift, simple move, the minister set the story free from the restraints of modern culture. Foy was impressed and wept softly throughout the entire sermon. A woman in the row in front of him reached back, without looking, and handed him three or four tissues. He accepted them gratefully.

Foy chose not to go forward for communion. He watched with a tender but distant affection as the people filed by to receive the bread and wine. In his mind he saw the faces of many friends from the days when he was the one handing out bits of bread and saying, “This is the body of Christ.”

When the service was over, Foy remained in his seat with his head bowed to avoid the rush of people trying to leave. When the crowd thinned, he slipped out quietly and returned to the fountain in the courtyard. His leaf was still floating in the lower pool. He watched it and marveled at the power the Church still held for him. The tasks and errands he had planned for that day now seemed painfully mundane and ridiculous. Perhaps he would go to the hardware store and pick up that sandpaper he needed. Maybe he would go to the supermarket and buy some cereal and milk for supper. Later he might rent a movie and eat peanut M&Ms while he watched it. It was hard to rise from the fountain and go back to his life, so he lingered there, watching the leaf drift softly in the water.

After some time he heard footsteps. He turned and saw the minister approaching. He spoke, but Foy couldn’t understand him because of the sound of the fountain.

“Heymuh naymzul airy.”

Foy cupped a hand to his ear to indicate that he hadn’t understood.

“It Slarry.”

Foy was disoriented by his inability to make sense of the man’s speech.

“Slarry?” he said, tilting his head.

The minister laughed loudly. “Oh, sorry. I said my name’s Larry. It’s Larry.”

They both laughed.

The minister slowed his laughter and transitioned smoothly into a greeting. “I noticed you coming into the service, and I’ve never seen you here before. I’m glad I caught you before you left because I wanted to meet you.”

Foy recognized the graceful, social charm of a minister at church. It was a charm he knew he could slip into with almost no effort.

“My name’s Foy. Nice to meet you, Larry.”

“So Foy, what brought you to Saint Mark’s this morning? I mean, obviously you wanted to go to church, but what brought you to this church?”

Foy looked around as if there might be a sign with the church’s name on it. He realized he hadn’t bothered to find out the name of the church.

“Oh, this is Saint Mark’s? Funny, I didn’t, uh, notice the name or anything. I saw this place a few days ago, and it was so beautiful. I just kind of wandered in, following the beauty I guess.”

Larry looked around the courtyard with appreciation. “Yeah, it’s quite a lovely place. Very peaceful. You’re welcome to come here anytime. I’m glad you found us this morning.”

Foy looked closely at him. He seemed like a sincere man. He was glad that Foy had come. The fact that a stranger came to his church was something that obviously pleased him.

“Great sermon, Reverend,” said Foy.

Larry smiled and thanked him. It was the polite thank you of a man who hears those words all the time, knows they don’t really mean anything, and has learned to be okay with that.

“It was the opening that got me, that part about her not being a good person and the Pharisee being, you know, a good man. It was so clean and simple and perfect. It was like going back in time and hearing the story with their ears. It was amazing. I can tell you thought a lot about how you were going to do that.”

Larry looked stunned and stared at him without speaking. Foy was amused by his expression. He probably didn’t expect that sort of comment from some guy off the street. The people in the pews rarely notice things like that. A good sermon would communicate well, but a layperson might not understand the work that went into such an opening.

“Wow, thanks. Um, you really got that, didn’t you?”

Larry looked at Foy, trying to figure him out.

“It’s just…most people don’t pick up on that kind of stuff.”

“Some do,” said Foy.

They sat quietly for a moment, then Foy spoke. “I want to ask you something rather personal. Of course, you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to, but I guess that goes without saying.”

Larry nodded his assent.

“How are you doing?”

Larry nodded seriously.

“I’m doing fine. The church is healthy – I think. Attendance is up, and we’ve got some young families again, so that’s good. I’ve got a good staff to work with. Charlie, our new youth minister, is doing a great job, so that whole area is picking up. We have some issues with the facility, but…”

Foy broke in. “No, not the church. I meant how are YOU doing.”

“Oh,” said Larry.

“The reason I ask is I have a friend who was a minister, and he had a hard time – how do I say this – keeping track of himself. He got lost in the role, if that makes any sense. It’s like you coming out here to talk to me. I look at your smile, and it’s perfectly sincere. I can see that. But you have to come out here and talk to me. It’s your job. My friend, he got to where he couldn’t tell if he had any real compassion left in him, or if it was all the job. He started feeling false, or wrong, or somehow not himself. It just got to where he didn’t like the feeling of it – being a minister.”

Larry looked directly at Foy, who looked right back at him. His eyes dropped. He turned his head a little to the right and looked away. Then he turned back and looked at Foy’s knees for a few seconds. He slowly raised his eyes until he was looking right at Foy again.

“Honestly? Just you and me talking? Not the kind of thing I would necessarily want to say at church?”

He looked at Foy, waiting for some kind of acknowledgment of informal confidentiality. Foy nodded and said, “Yeah.”

“Okay, I don’t know how I'm doing, exactly. That's hard to know. I know what your friend was feeling. Sometimes I don’t feel like a real person here at church - most of the time, to be honest. And yeah, I have to be nice to everyone. I have to. And I guess somebody’s got to be here, welcoming people, you know? Just, being the face of the church, I guess.”

“You know what’s hard? People at church don’t see me as a real person. Oh, I guess they sort of do, and one or two know me pretty well. But I think for the most part, I’m some sort of spiritual icon or something. For some I’m a mediator between them and a God they fear. Some need to believe that I’m living an authentic Christian life, especially those who aren’t doing that themselves. Those are the ones you’ve got to watch out for, because if they ever see, you know, your humanity or anything… And then, for some I think I’m roughly the equivalent of the pulpit and the stained glass. You know, every church has a minister in a robe down front – just a part of the furnishings - no big deal.”

Foy stroked his chin, looking at the ground and nodding solemnly. “Yeah, that’s the kind of thing my friend used to say.”

Foy picked up an acorn and pulled the little cap off the top of it. He threw the acorn away, put the cap on the end of his finger like a hat, and wiggled it. Then he flicked the acorn cap away.

“For what it’s worth, having watched my friend pretty closely, here’s how I see it. They think they need a minister, but what they really need is you. I know you’re a priest and you have to bless the sacraments and all that, and someone’s got to, so that’s fine. But they need to see you as a man - as a person. They might not want a straight dose of Larry, but that’s what they need.”

“And you think you should be a good minister, and I’m sure you are and try to be. But what you need to be – and I know I’m getting all mystical here – but what you need to be is Larry. You need to be Larry. It’s your right as a human, and I guess maybe your primary calling. I don’t know, don’t you think we’re all called – first of all – to be or maybe become the kind of unique creation that God imagined on the day we were born?”

Suddenly Foy became self-conscious about talking too much.

“Ah, what do I know? I guess while we’re all figuring this stuff out it’s good that you’re here, being what we need you to be. You know, showing up and handing out the wafers on Sunday, whether you feel like it or not. I admire you for that.”

Foy reached into the fountain and nudged the little leaf which was sitting perfectly still in the water of the lower pool. It scooted away from his finger, drifted sideways a bit, then slowed and stopped moving.

Foy stood up and stretched his back.

“I guess I better be taking off.”

Larry stood too. He held out his hand and Foy shook it.

“It was nice meeting you, Foy. Very nice, on a Sunday, after the service, uh, to meet you. Hope I’ll see you again sometime.”

“You probably will.”

As Foy walked away, Larry said, “Hey, what was your friend’s name anyway? That minister you were telling me about?”

Foy stopped but he didn’t turn around. He looked down, smiled, then rubbed his chin with his thumb.

“Foy. Same name as me, interestingly enough.”

Larry smiled. “Yeah, I thought so. All that shit you threw out about the sermon was a dead giveaway.”

Foy turned around and began to walk away backwards. He pointed at Larry with both index fingers. “C’mon, I meant every word of it. That was an awesome sermon, Reverend. Truly inspirational.”

Larry held his hand up and slapped it toward Foy, laughing.

Foy turned around and moved out of the courtyard into the parking lot. He turned his head to the right and shouted over his shoulder.

“Helluva good sermon.”

 

rlp

Note: The sermon intro from this story is based on a sermon by Reverend Sam Todd at the Episcopal Church of Reconciliation in San Antonio. The sermon was delivered sometime in the 90s. I still remember that sermon, which is as good a compliment as a sermon can receive, I suppose.

Read the Gospel story from Luke chapter 7

 

Submitted by raj on July 5, 2007 - 10:01am.

Wow. I just told the "God will not ask 'Why were you not more like Moses; God will ask, 'Why were you not more like Zusya'" story to someone. I wish I'd had this story to help carry the message. :) Your writing is a gift and a blessing, but without your wisdom it wouldn't be much help. Thank you for sharing it.

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 5, 2007 - 10:12am.

Yes, that was an awesome story. I learn alot about myself through these stories. I love th eway you incorporate the wisdom with the real quirks that real people have. You make these characters real. Thank you.

Submitted by rlp on July 5, 2007 - 10:18am.

Thank you, that's a nice compliment. I work hard at that, so I appreciate it.

Submitted by The Token Catholic on July 5, 2007 - 11:03am.

I love how you're able to make these characters come alive. Even Dwight. ;)

http://bigumuse.blogspot.com/

Submitted by rbarenblat on July 5, 2007 - 11:36am.

Helluva good sermon, this story. :-)

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"Why write unless you praise the sacred places?" -- Richard Howard

Submitted by Kathryn on July 5, 2007 - 11:51am.

Thank you rlp...Wonderful story, beautifully told as always - and so much to reflect on for all of us who "mind the gap" between our longing/aspiration to be effective ministers of Christ and the danger of falling into a role based on the projections of others. Truly, thank you.

Submitted by scout on July 5, 2007 - 12:13pm.

I like Foy. I wasn't sure before, but now I am.

Submitted by Jenny Valent on July 5, 2007 - 1:46pm.

Ah, now but that's the trick, isn't it? Not just for clergy, but for all of us...to be real.

"I don’t know, don’t you think we’re all called – first of all – to be or maybe become the kind of unique creation that God imagined on the day we were born?"

I'm still trying to figure out how to do that...

Great story - I love reading your stuff (and that's no shit)

http://www.myspace.com/ashvajenny

Submitted by revsparker on July 5, 2007 - 3:42pm.

once again, deepest gratitude.

Revsparker

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 5, 2007 - 4:52pm.

Why did you descide to write the Foy Davis stories? Although you have said otherwise before, I cant help but think that he is you...
Are they stories about your life? I'm not sure how to feel about this Foy fella, cuz I dont know who he is.

very well written though.

Submitted by rlp on July 5, 2007 - 8:38pm.

I think this is a much more complex question than it seems on the surface. Some have said that every fictional character is a part of the writer. And I think that is true, to a certain extent. To write fiction and dialogue (at least for me) involves a difficult "letting go" process. I don't even feel like I make up the stories. I feel like I get into a frame of mind and then just write them down as I see them.

Foy is definitely not me. For example, nothing in this story ever happened to me. Well, except that I modeled the sermon opening after a real sermon I once heard. However, Foy is very much like me in some ways. Not in others. I don't know how to explain it to people. We're soul mates. And our lives run strangely parallel in some ways. But Foy lost his marriage. I have a story planned about how that happened. I don't know if I'll ever write it, but it is in my mind as if it happened. So I know what happened to his marriage.

I'm still married to my wife, in love with her, and hoping to stay married to her until the end. What can I say? I don't know. I reach into myself for this character, but he is not me.

And yet, I have used my own life experiences with this character. Usually all mixed up. Like maybe I went to New Orleans once long ago and saw something that ends up in Foy's story. But doesn't every fiction writer do that? I'm thinking they do.

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 5, 2007 - 5:17pm.

Hmmm...I'm episcopal, I'm a priest...guess I had no choice but to like the story.
But honestly, it touches on a point that I try so hard to emphasize to people--God called me precisely because of who I am, zany personality and all. Ordination gave the gifts of sacramental rites, but I was supposed to be "Laurie PLUS" when it was all over, not some all-new and unfamiliar version of myself. I've even explained to people that wearing a collar is just fine (we're big on the collar in my diocese), but it's no different than any other uniform (not unlike a KFC uniform) because it simply signifies what I do--it does not enhance it, or define it--and in fact, I'd better be substantially the same gal with or without the collar or I shouldn't wear it at all, in my opinion.
So thanks for putting in print what I have said to many people. We're out here trying to be the best Larrys (and Lauries!) that we can, despite the fact that we're also priests.

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 5, 2007 - 7:16pm.

This week I had an entire (nine person) family leave because of a sermon I preached two weeks ago. In it I was myself. I tried to be clear about the importance of the issue to the gospel, and the gospel to the issue. I tried to have integrity and just be who I am in my heart and soul. Now, I feel like I've failed my church in some real way because I knew it would be controversial and I did it anyway-- without extra damage control. After seven solid and joyful years of service here, I thought the relationships were strong enough to endure that kind of truth-telling. I thought the foundation was laid for the challenge. Now, I just feel like a steaming pile of crap. And it sucks. I guess that that is real, too.

Also, the challenge of the gospel isn't always a popular message. There are (of course) other cultural factors involved. It is never simple. And I cannot please all of the people all of the time and still honor God and be true to myself.

Somehow the interaction between Foy and the Rev. around 'being yourself' really struck a chord with me. Thank you, RLP.

Orangeblossoms

Submitted by rlp on July 5, 2007 - 8:41pm.

Take heart, you're probably preaching the gospel. If you don't have famlies leave now and then because of a true sermon, then you're not doing what we're called to do. I don't like it. It doesn't feel good, especially if they are friends (or you thought they were) But it's the way it is. I certainly don't mean that there are no boundaries, but I think we need to loosen them up a bit. If they can't handle you, your vision, and what the Spirit cause you to see in scripture, well, sorry. You know?

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 6, 2007 - 8:58am.

Yeah, I know. I do. It still feels bad. Thanks for responding.... I was hoping to be reassured. (Excellent blog-pastoring of your readers!)
Orangeblossoms

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 7, 2007 - 9:19am.

As someone recently pointed out to me, "If you preach the entire Word, you are going to step on some toes. If you aren't preaching the entire Word, you are not doing your job."

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 9, 2007 - 9:40am.

I am one of the people in the pews who has also been a church lay worker. I ached for years to hear pastors say to the congregation the things I heard them say when we were alone. We all censor ourselves, sometimes for good reasons, sometimes not. Just know that if you are sure you are speaking what GOD is ok for you to speak, then you don't need to fear who will not like the words. There are those of us out in the pews who are aching for truth and we can take it like adults.

You know, many folks have made a lot of the fact that sometimes Christians act better in church than they do when they leave the walls. We all know that story. Hypocrites, etc.... I am much more bothered by Church folks, lay and clergy, that hold political beliefs in private that they are too fearful to say in church because they may be seen as too liberal. It is risky to do so, maybe. But that kind of dichotomy in your life, where you think that it is ok to minister to gay people in your church, for example, but won't say so to the rest of the congregation...that kind of dichotomy is painful for your soul. How can you live that lie? I'll tell you. It eats up a lot of ministers and lay people alike.

Living an authentic life spiritually and in all areas is very good for the blood pressure, your sleep, your mood and your soul. GOD likes that, I think.

(I didn't sign it, but I am OldPoet, aka Prodigal Aspersions)

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 5, 2007 - 9:44pm.

Hey, RLP,

Thanks much for this story. It was very close to home.

Sincerely,
Another Foy

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 6, 2007 - 7:18am.

You left me in tears again, rlp. I identify with Foy, not as a minister or a priest, which, God save the church, I mercifully am not. I identify with him as a man in similar circumsances. My wife left me, no doubt for sound reasons, and I am sad, worried, angry, bereft all at once. Like Foy, I go home to watch Monk reruns with a frozen pizza and a pint of Haagen Daaz.

I became a Catholic 15 years ago, and what I found so authentic in your story is what Foy found in the church, especially a church in the liturgical tradition. Now, wandering like Foy, all those reasons come back to me forcefully.

I weep in the pew too.

scriptorium

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 6, 2007 - 9:30am.

RLP, great story. It touched upon my own experience as a minister. I could feel for both Foy and Larry.

In the story Foy told Larry that the people of his church need a "dose of Larry." Why is this so hard though? Why is it hard for the pastor and the people for the pastor to be real? It seems that many church folks have a hard time with a "real" pastor. It seems they want the caricature of a pastor and not a human being as a pastor. Why?

And why do we pastors give in to this pressure? Job security? Insecurity? Fear? Playing the role we've been told to play? The whole damned thing gets tiresome.

I love God and his people, but man, sometimes being a minister seems to suck the life right out of you. Can people really handle having the person who is their minister? Can they really take a "dose of Larry"? Why or why not?

Scott

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 6, 2007 - 11:49am.

This problem with the pastor (priest in my case) not being a "real person" with flaws etc. doesn't seem to be as big an issue in my church as it seems to be in many others.

I think this is probably related to two things- the culture of my church is quite liberal and very forgiving, so the priest being human and making mistakes is expected; and it is quite a small church (in terms of semi-regular attendees-maybe 60 or so) so the priest isn't someone who you only encounter from the pews, but also the person who mucks in making pancakes before Lent, and the person you bump into at the shops.

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 6, 2007 - 9:53am.

Preacher, have you read Frederick Beuchner's fiction? (Or for that matter, his nonfiction?)

Foy reminds me of Beuchner and makes me wonder how he would get along with Leo Bebb (one of his characters).

Submitted by rlp on July 6, 2007 - 1:44pm.

Read a lot of Buechner, but not his fiction. I need to. I know the Bebb character, but have not read the book.

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 6, 2007 - 12:43pm.

Do you prefer writing fiction or nonfiction?
I consider myself a budding writer, but I have the HARDEST time writing fiction. I just cant write dialouge worth crap. How do you write like people talk, dialouge that sounds natural?

I am pretty good at writing non-fiction. Essays, discussion pieces, "sermons"... but fiction I just cant do.

Also, which do you prefer to read? I think that my problem my be that I read almost exclusivly non-fiction books.

Submitted by rlp on July 6, 2007 - 1:43pm.

I prefer writing fiction. Dialogue is my great love, and I hope mine rings true - sounds like real people. And - I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum - I read almost exclusively fiction and then stuff from other fields, and I try only to read great writers. I think I have the theological background and knowledge to feed the kind of writing that I do. What I need is broad knowledge strokes to give me depth. Then I bring the theology into it.

You got me talking about something I love. Writing fiction is different, isn't it? I think they each have a unique discipline. With fiction, you have to let go and trust something...I don't know what. Trust the pictures that are unfolding in your head. With essays, you have this subject you are circling like a lion circling prey. And you "let go" but more to find the connections and the beautiful descriptions.

Okay, this sounds like pure bullshit all of a sudden. I don't know. I write stuff and try to make it sound pretty. ;-)

Submitted by Keith on July 7, 2007 - 9:11pm.

I see fiction and nonfiction as different too (though overlapping), but a friend who's both prolific and highly respected in both disciplines claims that for him, it's all the same.

I don't believe him, but he's probably telling the truth. The bastard.

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 9, 2007 - 2:14pm.

I understand what you are trying to say. When I am writing essays, I find it easier to be rational and rely simply on my knowledge of a subject- I am writing with my brain. Writing fiction is like trying to write with your soul. Sometimes the words don't sound right and there's nothing to do until the words finally come to you. People ask me if I know what my character's are going to do before I write it and I have to admit that many times I do not. Like you said, you just have to trust the pictures in your head.

I absolutely adore this blog. My own problems within the religious community seem less confusing after reading your words.

--Clare

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 6, 2007 - 3:14pm.

lol, its not bullshit. I love to write too, its a joy. But Like I said before I dont read much fiction, I just cant really get into it. I read voraciously, but only a handful of the books I have ever read are ficticious.

I sometimes read "semi" fiction books, like Brian McLarens "New Kind of Christian" series, and "The Great Divorce" by Jack Lewis. But those are really more theology books, not really fiction.

I envy writers though who can write the way people talk, I notice it in movies too; Quinten Tarantino and Spike Lee are both esp good at it.

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 9, 2007 - 1:25pm.

Hi, I'm a student training for Ministry in the UK, and I'd just like to say that this story has given me real pause for thought about what will be expected of me and how I should respond. It's a strange thing that in the Pastoral Care module I've just done there's a lot of talk of Congruence - "Keeping it real" - but from what I've already seen there are often people that for some reason don't expect a Minister to be truly human - ie with the faults and foibles that we all have. Coming from a Non-Conformist background where there's plenty of talk of the Priesthood of All Believers, Lay Leadership etc it seems strange that when it comes down to it the average Joe still expects the person at the front wearing a dog collar to be either so full of saintliness that they're practically crystallising holiness from thin air, or to be so heavenly minded that they are, as one acquaintance of mine once said, "A Blethering Idiot". (Note for those unfamiliar with this latter term - it's the sort of thing that would be used to describe people such as the Rowan Atkinson characters Mr. Bean and Johnny English - ie completely incompetent.) The sort of person that encounters a stubborn bolt and prays for it rather than cussing, yelping in pain and eventually undoing it by brute force.....

Anyway, I intend to keep dropping in by the by, keep on keeping it real!

Cheers
Rob in the UK

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 11, 2007 - 7:04pm.

You wrote this about me, I am perfectly convinced.

I've had the transparent boundaries -- and been so burned by it that I am now staying off the ridge-line and creating false silhouettes so that I will never be hurt again nor allow injury to my family.

It grieves me that I cannot live in authenticity.

Submitted by goatmeal on July 15, 2007 - 3:53pm.

There's something in a Sunday that makes a body feel alone.

Submitted by Anonymous User on July 16, 2007 - 3:38pm.

I'm not signing in this time.

I really identify with Foy. My time as a vocational minister was precious to me, but I just didn't fit somehow. My last Sunday in my last church was one of the happiest days of my life. My current church experience is very good for me, partially because I don't feel the weight of the whole congregation on my soulders. I appreciate ministers now more than I can say.

Submitted by rlp on July 17, 2007 - 10:33pm.

Yeah, that is a heavy weight. Only those who have carried it understand.