Submitted by rlp on Mon, 05/26/2008 - 18:49.
12 second Iron Giant clip. Play first.
I received an interesting email a couple of months ago from a woman named Sarah Nagel, who reads Real Live Preacher. She was going to be in San Antonio and wondered if we might get together and chat.
Every sort of life has its own hardships and blessings. One of the hardships and blessings of being a minister/writer is accumulating too many relationships to keep up with. As I’m in a mode of simplifying my life where possible, I thought perhaps I should pass on this conversation. But then I noticed the domain attached to her email address. Rice.edu. That was curious to me, so I googled her name and found that she is a Ph.D. graduate of Rice University in the department of physics and astronomy and is currently lecturing there.
Ooh, that changes things. Astronomers and physicists are like rock stars to me. I don’t understand the mathematical language with which they express their understanding of reality, but I’m thrilled with even the simplified explanations they offer to lay persons. And I think that I can sense the grandeur of these truths even in that diluted form.
I wrote back and we set a date. I arranged to have the entire afternoon free on a Friday.
“Wow, my own personal physicist,” I said to myself with glee. “I am now the luckiest man in America!”
She came with her boyfriend, a computer programmer and linguistic philosopher who seemed to know something about, well, everything. I lured the two of them into my office and peppered her with questions for a couple of hours. Then Jeanene and I went out to dinner with them and continued the conversation. It was an absolutely wonderful day.
There was so much I wanted to know.
"I understand particle reality. And I know how waves move, of course. But what ARE waves? Are they ways that particles move, or are they their own kind of reality? And if they are their own kind of reality, could you describe that to me somehow?"
"What is dark matter? Is it true that it makes up 96% of reality? And do we call it dark because we haven’t figured out how to perceive it, or is it a kind of reality that is so completely different from us that we will never be able to interact with it at all?"
"I understand that you fire a single photon of light from some sort of gun or whatever in that classic quantum experiment with the slits in the paper. What I want to know is: who made that gun? I mean, how do you design a machine to fire a single sub-atomic particle? And how do you know if you really ARE just firing one photon?"
I suppose you’ll be wanting to know how she answered those questions. That could be a problem. If you consider how simplified her answers must have been for me, and if you further consider how I’ve lost the edges of those memories in the weeks that have passed, I’m certain I cannot do justice to her answers.
Briefly:
1. Particles seem easy to understand. They have their own energy and fly around colliding with each other. It’s the sort of thing we see every day in life. Waves are strange. They involve movement. And that movement transfers energy through a medium in some mysterious way. Like when you see wind waves moving across a wheat field. The stalks of wheat and the individual air particles don’t move all that far, but the motion itself moves great distances. Electromagnetic waves, like light, do not require a medium for their energy to move. That seems very strange. And now, far from feeling more enlightened in these matters, I’m not sure I understand anything about matter, whether in particle form, in motion, or in any state at all.
2. Yes. Dark matter makes up about 96% of all that is, which is a little sobering, considering we make a lot of broad statements about reality for creatures that can only perceive about 4% of it. But no one knows if we simply cannot see dark matter or if it exists in some way that is outside of our ability to perceive it at all. That’s the thing about dark matter. We can’t perceive it, so we can’t even know if we will ever have the ability to perceive it.
3. They do indeed have such a gun. Light is directed through a tube and exposed to elements of very low temperature such that collisions are caused. Somehow, by the process of elimination and by repeated actions, they are able to be quite certain that only one photon is emerging from the end of the tube, thus enabling some rather astonishing experiments.
To be honest, she lost me with that last one. I just don’t have the requisite knowledge to comprehend how they make this photon gun thingy. But here’s the deal: If you spend more than a few minutes with Sarah Nagel - or any serious physicist - you will realize that these are not the sort of people who take this kind of thing lightly. They aren’t going to take someone’s word for it if he says he just fired a single photon out of a tube. The makeup of that gun and all of the physics behind it are worked out ahead of time in a completely other set of disciplines.
If you, like me, are not a physicist and have taken a different path in life, you will never have enough knowledge to understand a lot of what goes on behind their experiments, even if you can understand the experiments themselves.
It comes down to trust. I trust Sarah.
Sarah tells me that the people who design these “photon guns” are certain that only one photon is fired from them. So I accept that respectfully and we can move on to what happens when you shoot a single photon of light at a point between two slits in a sheet of paper, which is where things really get interesting.
I suppose you’d like to know a bit more about that experiment. Well, I’m definitely in over my head now, so you’ll have to find your own personal physicist and talk to her yourself. Sarah Nagel is mine, so she’s taken. But I’m sure you’ll find someone. Try the Yellow Pages.
This is an interesting twist to the story: Sarah came to San Antonio to see ME. She has read Real Live Preacher, and clearly my writing has meant something to her. Maybe that is because I am called to drink from many different wells and draw them all together with the art of writing. And she has been called to drink very deeply from the well of physics. I don’t really know what she was hoping to get from me, but for one afternoon a physicist and a theologian/writer sat together in peace, talking and laughing and each valuing the other. I love her passionate search for truth in the Cosmos, and she loves my quirky, artistic ramblings about life or God or whatever you want to call whatever it is I think I’m writing about.
And now everything I’ve told you leads me to this truth that I believe, though I must confess that I have no proof for it save my own experience. But it seems right to me.
We all matter. All of us. And there is no way that any one kind of human search for truth, much less any one human, will ever be able to find all the answers to the most fascinating truths about life and existence. You will have to trust someone. People have given their entire lives to creating single photon shooting machines. Will you trust them, or will you spend two or three decades gathering the knowledge you will need to check the validity of their answers?
I find that trusting people is its own kind of spiritual exercise. I am deeply impressed by the strong and unwavering commitment of scientists to their method. It takes that kind of commitment to empirical data to discover their kinds of truths. Brother and sister scientist must take that path. And I love them for it. I am not ashamed that I cannot follow them. I don’t even speak the language. My path was set in another way long ago. But my ignorance is no shame for me with Sarah. So I can come to her with joy, like a child, and drink in an afternoon’s worth of her knowledge and her journey.
And I think I saw in her eyes a certain trust she has in me. “Here’s a man,” she might have said, “who has given his life to unraveling and understanding the oldest story/poems of humanity. He and thousands like him testify that there is still meaning to be found in these scriptures. They seek communion with deep forces of creation through ancient spiritual disciplines. And I trust this man. At least I trust him enough to respect him and sit and talk with him for a couple of hours.”
Back of everything is a love for truth and a desire for knowledge and wholeness and happiness. That we all share. Why would we be so drawn to God unless we have a love and desire for truth somehow embedded deeply into our humanity? Pilate, a proto-scientist, rightly asked, “What is truth?” And Jesus, the son of man, did not tell him. But he did once say that the truth would set us free.
And why would brother and sister scientist seek truth with such vigor if they had no spiritual connection to it? Why, if there were no desire in their souls, no emotional drive to know and conquer and to find joy in the discovery of what is?
I tell you this: If I had the time I would hear all of your stories. You could drag whatever expertise you claim and whatever experience is yours to San Antonio, and I would sit with you and love you and marvel at what you bring to the greater human search for knowledge. We are not all equal in this journey. Some are more equipped with intelligence, some with emotion, others with experiences that burned truth into them with a painful fire.
But we all matter. We all play our part. I cannot gather every precious bit of knowledge to myself and drink it, though I would love to. But I can love everyone who carries a part of our journey forward. And I can hear their stories with whatever time and energy is given me.
This is a goodness because this is a human communion that is a sacrament we all may share together.
rlp
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Hmmm. Seems like sometimes
Hmmm. Seems like sometimes the most important thing is to isolate one voice out of the chatter and listen. Look that one in the eyes and listen. I sometimes think that listening is what I'm all about. Only thing I'm good for, in any case.
Good scribble, RLP.
Truth in strange places
I must say this post really resonated with me, especially your comment about how each of us finds truth in our own way and in our own places. It's sad to see science demonized by some who believe it to be antithetical to religion or spirituality. Though I know very little about science, I know what it's like to have your passion seen as "bad" or "ungodly" - mine happens to be rock music, and we all know that there has been plenty of controversy over that over the years. Still, as I once told someone, I have learned more about peace, love, respect, compassion, passion for life and living in the moment (even in the spiritual sense) from rock and roll than from organized religion. Ravi Shankar's teacher once told him that music is God, and I believe it. Music is God, just like all other good things are God. Anything that inspires us and drives us to explore our world and live life more fully is a spark of the divine, as far as I'm concerned.
If you ever venture north to Michigan or Ohio, I'd love to meet you, say hello, and take you for a tour of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum (http://rockhall.com/) It may not be as fascinating as a photon gun, but it's a lot more interactive. :)
I'm a practitioner?
I've never thought myself one who practices an ancient craft, but to be one who studies the Holy Writ is one who is a practitioner of the human condition in relation to reality: the Divine.
I'm always amazed at how your writing helps me see. Thanks for your words. They move me.
j
Humility
Great post.
I've got an awful lot of knowledge about pregnancy/birth/lactation etc. from my years of midwifery study, and a pretty good handle on the English language. So I tend to feel rather smug when either issue comes up, and sometimes downright contemptuous (oh, that grocer's apostrophe!)
And then come the moments when I realize how very little I know about so much else. I try to make mental notes: "Remember THIS moment of embarrassing ignorance the next time someone mixes up their/there/they're, and try not to be such an insufferable snot about it." But somehow those notes get mislaid and I'm back to the old, judgemental habits.
Bless you and everyone who can listen with humility, wonder and love.
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Thank you for writing that, i liked it.
Iron Giant
Thanks for the Iron Giant clip.... I love that movie.... Thsi post, too.....
Sometimes I like to think
Sometimes I like to think that God is dark matter...just beyond our ability to perceive... :)
A personal Physicist
I am so jealous. I absolutely LOVE that kind of heady stuff, even though I can understand about .00001 percent of it. But I have no personal physicist. I wouldn't even know where to begin to LOOK for a personal physicist. (And they are not in the Yellow Pages!)
I do read a guy though, named Regis Nicoll...and he periodically provides a nice mix of religion and quantum physics. He's a great read.
So I envy you meeting Sarah. And her meeting you.
science and religion
How refreshing to hear about a respectful, joyful conversation between a scientist and a theologian/writer. I'm so tired of hearing about hard-line fundamentalist religionists and hard-line fundamentalist atheists-scientists going at it. Maybe God is the dark matter "in which we live and move and have our being"...
in the course of time
I wanted to drop a note and say that I started reading your blog when you were anonymous, but stopped because some of the questions/ideas/thoughts raised were alarming to my black and white understanding of God and the Bible. Four years later, I've return to read your thoughts and appreciate the lushness and varied texture of your thoughts and how they relate to a God that refuses to fit into any single construct of thought of expression.
"He isn't a *tame* lion............." And how I love Him for that.
Thank you for your thoughts.
All are gifted
The last few paragraphs remind me of St Paul instructing us that every member of the community has gift (provided by the Holy Spirit). Another excellent essay.
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Favourite post in ages
Dear RLP,
It's been a whilst since I cruised past, and I came back to such a lovely post! This is a real truth for me, and one that so many people cannot accept. I believe it is rooted in vocation. Some people are called to understand physics (not me) some rock music (sounds great) some languages (scoring higher now!) but we cannot all do everything. I like Paul's take on it we are one body of many parts, I don't think he just meant the church.
But, trusting your fellow man or woman to be right, or even occasionally wrong and then learning from that, it's very hard. I think it's a balance too, I mean I wouldn't have entirely trusted the Directors of Enron, and I would have been correct in that suspicion. But in Western culture we so quickly seek to assign blame, to be armchair experts, to instruct but not to do. Letting other people do stuff, and then getting to sit down and ask them a zillion questions (as part of this social contract they have to be ready to educate the rest of us) is the best way to learn and to grow. .. Sorry I think I just repeated what you said only not so well, but that was because I think it was very TRUE.
P.S Was just re-reading your book the other day, it was a real joy - thanks from Belgium
For me it is a question of
For me it is a question of relationship. And I only suggested trust in that setting. I met Sarah, and I came to trust her. Now she could still be wrong. But the point is, you have to trust someone, right? I mean, you can't know everything. Most of us trust books and documentaries and officials of one kind or another.
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